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Lazair.com Lazair ultralight 2011-11-18T16:09:33-05:00 http://lazair.com/forum/feed.php?f=7&t=301 2011-11-18T16:09:33-05:00 http://lazair.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=301&p=8835#p8835 <![CDATA[Re: Rotax 185 CDI Conversion...easy!]]> I am currently sinking money into other aspects of the project (hopefully a new d cell)
After all that research, reality sets in. I can fix my points very inexpensively and CDI is the very last thing I should put my money into.
Its way too easy to get ahead of ones self both mentally AND financially with these Lazairs.
Someday I will try it but in the mean time I would recommend looking at the moped world to anyone trying a CDI retrofit.
Puch, Tomos, Kreidler, Zundapp, and many more mopeds use all, or some of the same components as the 185 ignition. The bosch flywheels all seem to have the same center stamp that would accept the hubs from 185 flywheel. Its a world of possibilities.
Thanks for asking though. I seem to have missed the discussion and I wondered if anyone was still interested.
Thanks again to the forum. Im lost without it.
Joshua

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2011-09-24T15:31:46-05:00 http://lazair.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=301&p=8800#p8800 <![CDATA[Re: Rotax 185 CDI Conversion...easy!]]>
Tyler

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2011-03-05T09:40:36-05:00 http://lazair.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=301&p=8735#p8735 <![CDATA[Re: Rotax 185 CDI Conversion...easy!]]> Im bringing this thread back to add my 2 cents worth. Hopefully im on to something here.
I tried to get one of my 185's going yesterday but, lo and behold no.... spark.
My coil tested bad. So, I started sluething around the internet and I found some interesting bits. It turns out our Bosch ignition systems were used in Puch mopeds.
I believe this is our ignition coil.

And this is our flywheel BUT i cant read my Bosch part # for comparison and some come with different wattage. Could anyone check the numbers for me?

This link has full mag systems and cdi systems. I have yet to measure the taper/shaft size on my 185 but I am assuming the crank is too big for these flywheels. Any one know our taper?

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This link shows common moped taper sizes. We want Puch.
http://www.mopedarmy.com/wiki/Crankshaf ... components[/url]
The scooter guys are doing lots of retrofits on these cdi systems. Their answer is to simply machine out a new taper in the flywheel, cut a new keyway and bam, good to go. we Any machinest could do that. If our taper is the same as Puch then a whole WORLD of bolt on possibilities opens up. They have got some pretty trick aftermarket stuff.

The Ducati ignition unit that Wildfire provides was used on the Puch Korado 80-82

The numbers match and I found a pic of one installed. I couldnt find a source but others say they have. This could also be a source for that elusive internal ignition coil as well.

Finaly, the Pièce de résistance. 6 hours later, I found these and Im going to get one.

[url]http://www.treatland.tv/pietcard-CDI-motoplat-05-white-counterclockwise-p/pietcard-cdi-05.htm

Sensorless, bolt on CDI for use in our magneto, no modification required. Yay.
They come in clockwise and counterclockwise. So, does that mean looking at the mag end or pto end?
Thats all I got. Pretty cool eh? Thats all I got. Love to hear someone was still interested in the project and get some feeback.
Thank you,
Joshua

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2008-05-20T08:33:36-05:00 http://lazair.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=301&p=6907#p6907 <![CDATA[Rotax 185 CDI Conversion...easy!]]> Statistics: Posted by huronflyer — Tue May 20, 2008 8:33 am


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2007-07-05T10:23:05-05:00 http://lazair.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=301&p=5895#p5895 <![CDATA[Rotax 185 CDI Conversion...easy!]]>
i swapped out the mounts for bolts and spacers and it actually reduced the bubbles to almost nothing now, maybe a bubble goes to the carb once every 15 seconds now which is a vast improvement over a constant stream of bubbles. i think the remaining problem is just the fuel line itself leading to the pump. i will lock it down, but the engines are running well now.

now to install my radio and GPS and i am ready for some cross country flying in the warm alberta summer.

T.

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2007-06-07T16:45:47-05:00 http://lazair.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=301&p=5841#p5841 <![CDATA[Rotax 185 CDI Conversion...easy!]]>
its been a good spring so far for figuring out the JPX engine. I just solved another gremlin today and i'm super happy. i also discovered another but will hopefully be easily fixed.

i'll post a pic tonight, but when i moved the fuel pump to adapt it to the rotax recommended way of mounting the mikuni fuel pump, it left two holes in the crankcase where the bolts went for the old mounting brackets. three of us thought the holes werent' all the way through to the crankcase. as it turned out, a problem cropped up after i reinstalled the pumps the new way - it wouldn't idle lower than about 2200rpm and if it did drop, it just stalled. much tuning and tweaking was done to no avail.

at last, today i said "i've checked the fuel, i've checked the spark, therefore it must be air". i pulled the air filter off - everything looked fine and no changes there. then i started spinning the prop through while i was thinking - hearing the familiar HISS out of what i thought were the decompression valves...... then i focused on it and thought "sounds like its coming from the front crank seal" so i put my ear right up to the seal and turned the prop through several times, and just like a girlfriend from my teens i felt nice soft air blowing into my ear - FROM THE STUPID HOLES LEFTOVER FROM THE OLD PUMP MOUNT!!!!!!!!!!

i was so angry with myself for not checking them further - sure enough, with fingers on the holes, the hissing went away and compression was higher......... swearing for the next 10 minutes while plugging the holes with 4 bolts and loctite, i started the engines up and they ran perfectly! went up for a great half our flight before work, smooth air with lots of thermals. was climbing at 800ft/min in my 2-seater in nice smooth lift with 2 hawks - what a way to start the day!

moral of the story - suspect everything, focus on nothing when troubleshooting!

Tyler

PS: the last problem that popped up was that with the throttle at full on the ground (i do a lot of full power testing on the ground), i started searching for vapour bubbles in the gas lines (daffy and i have been chasing this demon for months). the line is perfect from the tank, all the way until the line mounts on the nacelle to begin routing it for the fuel pump (on the JPX). every so often, the engine vibrates in a mode that makes the line shake about 1/4" in one place, and it produces the odd bubble (a bubble about every 10 seconds or so). so i watched the outlet of the fuel pump, and it was nice solid gas (no bubbles) but then i would see a bubble enter the fuel pump as one big bubble, and it would exit the pump as millions of tiny bubbles and then go into the carb.... the engine was able to handle this reduced amount of bubbly gas fine (float bowl carb), but i need to dampen the fuel line so that these point vibration loads on the fuel line disappear. once i do this i think my fuel system will be mint and trouble free. but how do you mount a fuel line without clamping it to the nacelle where vibration is transmitted from the engine?????? (sorry for the long post!)

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I do however like the fact that the head is molded onto the stem and would hopefully help the stem from being ingested into head.

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ONLY!

T.

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Brian D.

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the whole assembly can be yours for $261 Can as shown in the following pdf

www.wildfire-equipment.com/en/news/technoteR223DS_E.pdf

(for some reason the site's http:// doesn't work... couldn't hyperlink this so cut and paste for now)

Tyler

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2007-02-18T04:48:58-05:00 http://lazair.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=301&p=5494#p5494 <![CDATA[Rotax 185 CDI Conversion...easy!]]> Without the points and condenser would there be enough room for a pulser?

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