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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:08 am
by Dale Kramer

Actually, the Lazair II KFM is the 2 place. I know, it is easily confused with a Lazair Series II and the naming was probably a mistake.

I really don't like flying the 2 place, its like driving a Mack truck versus a sports car when you compare it to any single place.


PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:37 am
by bdiedenhofen
I own a series III, CICUN. I am the second owner, the first flew it for several years before storing it in a barn for a long time. Right around the time that the Lazair was restored, I ended up with a Squadron Aviation Fokker DVII project. So now my wife is the principal Lazair pilot and I fly the Fokker. We also fly several G.A. aircraft from Cessnas to a Tiger Moth. It's frustrating when you here some G.A. pilots going off on ultralights and saying they're not real aircraft. I get really angry with these guys. The lazair is an aircraft like any other, in fact, better in many ways. It's delightful to fly and the view is like no other. I found that my stick and rudder skills improved from flying the Lazair and I am a better G.A. pilot now than I was before the Lazair.
We are looking around for a 3 or 4 seat aircraft so that we can fly as a family, our son is one year old. We may end up selling the Fokker. But we are not planning to ever part with the Lazair. I hope to see my son fly the Lazair when he gets a bit older.
Brian D.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:32 pm
by yankeflyer
I have added my name and location to the map. FrappiLazairlocation

And now for this list -I am Miles B Mulloy 44`21,015N 104`48,820W el.4290 -my airplane is a series 1 that needs new engines that I plan to procure from Sweden -- ... tNo=3201-4

For test flight this spring either in Utah or in the Southern California area where it can be done under the watchful eye of more experienced Lazair Pilot Owners.

What Luck!, to finally get one of my favorite all-time ultralight airplanes at the same time as the designer builder Dale Kramer is rediscovering his interest in ultralight airplane design.

Technology evolves at such a pace and now 20 and 30 years later it does seem an opportune time for the original designer and a dedicated following that the plane has to get together to create the son of Lazair. Just kidding I'm sure you all will find a better name. At 57 I know this is my last hurrah in sport airplanes; this could a fun flying and spring and summer.


PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:50 pm
by rayjb60
I have a serial #323 Series II with rudder pedal and muffler upgrades.

185 - Rotaxes that I converted to CDI ignition with the Wildfire kits.

I acquired it from the builder Rick Homes in AZ in June 2004, who got it 90% complete.

Mr Homes bought the kit from a dealer called Saddler, who eventually went on to design his own hot ultralight fighter called a Saddler ship!

I finished it up the Lazair and performed test flights in 2005.

I have about 4 flights to date for a total of maybe 1.5 hrs flight time.

You can see some of my flight pics at El Mirage in the Pilots Lounge> Pilots Log thread around the September time frame.

Im very happy with the Lazair and plan to do a lot more flying in the future.

Im located in Lake Elsinore, CA but do my flying from El Mirage Dry Lake in CA.

Anyone interested is welcome to come out and join me.

There are as many as 8 Lazairs trailered at El Mirage but I have only seen Chris and myself active there.

Its a shame the others seem to be mothballed but if anyone is looking to buy one Im sure some of those people could be contacted to sell their planes.

I was a Glider pilot for 3 years(96-99) at SOSA in Ontario Canada.
Getting back into it in 2006 since I now have a Monerai Sailplane as well.


PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:59 pm
by tommyb
nice glider

PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:30 pm
by rayjb60
You'd die if you knew how little I paid for the was basically a gift from a great USCG guy and saved the Monerai from ending up in a local Museum.

Although I did have to drive from CA to FL and back to pick it up....5200 miles.

It has 8 flight hours on it, but Im putting in all the recommended mods to improve performance before I take her up myself in 2006.

My Lazair was also a good buy at $2500 with trailer.

It was good to hear that Mark from Utah is enjoying his Lazair so much and I feel good knowing I could contribute to his enjoyment in my own small way by helping him with a surplus flywheel i had after my CDI conversion....his flywheel lost its magnets some how.

And thats why we are all here at this site...supporting each other to keep our unique and excellent Lazairs flying and having fun.

Thanks Mark!


PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:00 pm
by Chappy

Those are neat little engines, and really light for the power, not to mention electric start too. With the redrives they will likely produce way more power than you'd need for a single place. I think I'd derate them down some from the 13.4 hp each at 9000 rpm and save some wear and tear on both the engines and you're nerves! The clutches will be a liability if you plan to do much engine off soaring.

BTW, I didn't see a TBO number, have you seen one? On my series 1, the little 100 cc Pioneer chainsaw engines with redrives running about 8500 rpm (5.5 hp) at takeoff power, I get around 200 hours TBD (time before destruction).


PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:45 pm
by yankeflyer

I need to get those engines first and then see how they perform and then go from there. I'm still looking for a assembly manual for the series 1-the one I downloaded turns out to be a series 3. I believe Ozzie seen or heard them run on a para glider - maybe I'll find some information from the para gliders about their reliability.

Too bad that extra 40 pounds I have to lift into the air isn't fuel.

Alex Strojniks S2a is a self launching glider that I had hoped would be my next project and I do own a couple of sets of plans; but I'm only just now putting a shop together and that will take most of the winter.

After looking at Rays Monerai I gotta hope that may be a nice glider will still be my future. I see one comes up for sale every now and then.

If I actually pull it off and get those engines from Sweden I'll be keeping this forum informed about my progress.

The Pioneers had 80 and 90 psi in a compression test. I'll keep them around for now until I for sure have a replacement.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:40 pm
by rayjb60
Hey Miles,

On the Monerai groups page the LINKS section has some other engines that may be great for Lazairs.

Simonini Engines

Hirth F-33 1000hrs TBO

3W Motors

Zenoah G25

KFM 107

I have been looking for a power pod candidate for my Monerai in case tows become scarce at my location.

I live 2 miles from the glider/sky dive port, but they do not allow Ultralights, so my Lazair is about 90 miles from home.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:59 am
by russell

Did you write that you are looking for the series 1 manual? I have mine from 1980. I cannot post it but if you like I'll copy and mail. Let me know.