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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:26 pm
by CLL
Lazair pics

Thanks for the suggestions. I had always wanted a lazair since I saw one built while in High school (80s). I had been practicing taxiing at various times for several days over a couple of months. I had tried some hops and just wasn't comfortable and the overhead stick just never felt right for me. I had a friend fly it for me to a better field and that evening before we put it up, I decided to try it out on the new field. I was encouraged to go ahead and take it off and see how it feels. I didn't really plan to take off. I started out and in trying a very low hop, I began a climb, my first in this plane. It climbed amazingly easy and in my awe, I was not realizing that I'm drifting to trees on the left. When I tried to correct, I was climbing too much to correct to the right properly so I just pulled back all the way right at the tree line, the tail hit the tree top and it instantly turned nose down and proceeded to fall straight down through the pine forest. I didn't snag anything along the way down, I saw everything as the ground approached and it was faster than any roller coaster I have ever been on. It's amazing I didnt break more. I have 5 broken bones in my foot as it looks like the aluminum under the rudder pedal hit my foot on impact. At the time I just pulled it off not paying much attention to exactly what it was on my foot. I am guessing I pulled my foot off the pedal during the freefall, otherwise I may have no foot problem at all. At the impact I felt my back instantly hurt. I fractured an L1 vertebrae, but my pain is coming from lower previous problems. I was wearing a full face helmet and seatbelt which all should do. Looking back, I should have never let myself climb out. I was not thinking ahead of the aircraft which I beleive to fly you must anticipate control movements before they are needed. Regarding the plane, some on this site may know it, The green monster. Its beautiful. Linked is a picture of it before flight and a pic face down in the ground. It is fully repairable, however I am still deciding whether to part it out or attempt to sell it as one unit. The 185s are in excellent shape and I think have very low hours. Anyway, any comments are welcome.
Click my link above to see my two posted pics

PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:50 pm
by flyalaz
Wow! That's too bad. The green monster is indeed a pretty plane. The nose down pic you show doesn't look too bad. Tubing is readily available to fix what's bent. I am sure there are plenty of little bits to make, but if you take the time to repair the plane, you might just decide to give it another try. I really don't know too many planes that let you keep breathing after going face first into the ground like that.

Just think: a pusher plane like a challenger would have had the engine drive you into the ground like a nail, and a tractor engined plane would have beat you against the motor like an anvil! Hee hee! Like you say, you got off lucky.

Take the time to heal up, and as you fix the little bits that you can, decide on your next step.


PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:53 pm
by rcso140
In response to CLL coments, my buddy is telling the truth. The airplane was great looking and still is. It is a Type II with the wide gear on it. We pulled it out of the woods and here's what was broke on it: The right rear elevator was tore off (bracket broke), the left wing strut is bent, the front down tube that the overhead stick is attached to is broken right below the control box, the solid curved tube that the center wheel attaches to is mangled, both wings are in suprisingly good shape (the center sections where they attach to the fusealage will need to be replaced or straightened and reinforced and 1 wingtip needs to be replaced. The cage is still intact as the front wheel took most of the impact.
The engines had ptip props on them (unfortunaly they didn't survive)

I want to thank CLL for ruining my chances of getting back into flying! :D

Honestly, I am truely thankful he was able to walk away and I'm going to do everything possible to get him back in the air soon wether it be the "Green monster" or something else. He's got at least 6 weeks to think about it. B)

PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:56 pm
by Shannon
Very unfortunate. Man I hate to see this. The same exact thing happen to a guy here... New guy, upstick series 2, second flight, climb angle too steep, sideways drift right into Oak tree, nosedown at full throttle into the dirt. Result, broken leg, arm, ect... plane a total washout.

Hard to tell from one pic but I'd guess there is spar box crumpling on the right wing or both, d-cell skin damage, ect..ect.. This would be an extensive rebuild for sure.

Here's the "Green Goblin" when it was the "Ghost". When Tom purchased the plane in FL it was covered in unfinished fabric. Tom had the Green {Bat-wing} scheme painted after he purchased it.

Where are you guys located in MS ?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:01 pm
by Shannon
Could be worse. It could look like this. I have no idea who owned this one.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:28 am
by CLL
Jackson Suburbs, Central MS. The wings,leading edges look nice from what I can tell. May not be impossible to restore

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:11 pm
by rcso140
Yes, both wing attachment boxes are crumpled. One wing is perfect along the D cells, the other is good out to about the last 4 feet and then only minor dimpling. One wingtip survived; the other didn't. Had to remove the connecting bolts for the wings as they held thru the accident. As far as we could tell there were no shearing of any bolts.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:13 am
by ozzie
It is always sad to here of these things. unfortunatly as there are very few two seaters around, so these things will happen from time to time. I hope both aircraft and pilot will return to the sky again. Maybe George can make another set of rear spar components. And the tube work is not to hard. Good therapy whilst the body mends.
A sad end to the weekend here in Sydney with the crash of a powered glider killing the pilot and his 4 yr old son. Wittnesses on the ground reported parts falling off.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:28 pm
by Shannon
Sounds like it's fixable. If you get a chance post more pics. Lots of good rebuilders here can offer their take on it.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:39 am
by CLL
Well I have many pictures of it now, posted on ebay for anyone interested ... 0045732290
listed 10/28/06